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Comparing the size of various ships on LiveJournal for the Harry Potter fandom: Snape/Lupin, Snape/Hermione, Draco/Hermione, Draco/Ginny, Snape/Harry, Harry/Draco, Harry/Ron, Hermione/Ginny, Ron/Hermione, Harry/Hermione, Harry/Ginny.



Harry/Ginny is a pairing of Ginny Weasley and Harry Potter from the Harry Potter books/films.

Harry/Ginny is a popular het pairing within the Harry Potter fandom. Although the pairing is now established as canon thanks to the couple's brief time together in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, and their eventual marriage in the epilogue to Deathly Hallows, before this, there was much debate about which girl Harry would prefer in the books. Several factions of the fandom still believe that Harry made the wrong decision and should have ended up with Hermione, Luna, or another girl in the seventh book.

Many Harry/Ginny shippers are devoted to appreciating the canon of the books, and J.K. Rowling as their author. It is common for Harry/Ginny fans to also support Ron/Hermione and other canon pairings such as Bill/Fleur and Remus/Tonks, although this certainly does not include all fans of the pairing.

In the early years of the pairing, the Harry/Ginny fandom was dominated by one large archive, Gryffindor Tower. The moderators at Gryffindor Tower had a number of vehement and sometimes violent disagreements with other Harry Potter fans, including those on prominent discussion board HPforGrownUps and moderators of the major fandom archive Fiction Alley. These disagreements led the Gryffindor Tower moderators to an isolationist attitude, [[1]] which only exacerbated the differences and encouraged the generally-held idea that Harry/Ginny shippers were not part of the mainstream Harry Potter fandom as a whole. Fandom social climber Msscribe stumbled upon this already tense situation and used it to her advantage, turning the parties even more against each other and stepping in to defend her newfound friends from "attack" by her own newly-created sockpuppets, and blaming Gryffindor Tower and The Sugar Quill moderators for the sockpuppets.

In recent years, however, the fortunes of Harry/Ginny have improved. Gryffindor Tower closed its doors and was no longer a target. Msscribe grew quiet, and eventually her story was exposed[2] by Charlotte Lennox. Minor kerfluffles continue to upset the H/G status quo every now and then, but overall the community is peaceful, especially compared to the old days of ship wars.

Harry and Ginny in the HP Books

  • Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone - Book 1: Harry first catches sight of Ginny at King's Cross Station when he is catching the train to Hogwarts for the first time. She is the first witch close to his own age that he meets in the books, and even though she does not get on the train with him, he gets a strong sense of the wonder of his new school from her.
The train began to move. Harry saw the boys' mother waving and their sister, half laughing, half crying, running to keep up with the train until it gathered too much speed, then she fell back and waved. Harry watched the girl and her mother disappear as the train rounded the corner. Houses flashed past the window. Harry felt a great leap of excitement. He didn't know what he was going to -- but it had to be better than what he was leaving behind. [pp. 97-98, US Paperback Edition]

  • Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - Book 2: Ginny has a major part in the plot of this book, and it proves to be a formative experience for Ginny, and an important moment in the relationship between her and Harry.
At the beginning of the book, it's explained that Ginny has a crush on Harry, and is acting strangely as a result.
At that moment there was a diversion in the form of a small, red-headed figure in a long nightdress, who appeared in the kitchen, gave a small squeal, and ran out again. "Ginny," said Ron in an undertone to Harry. "My sister. She's been talking about you all summer." [p. 35]
On the third landing, a door stood ajar. Harry just caught sight of a pair of bright brown eyes staring at him before it closed with a snap. "Ginny," said Ron. "You don't know how weird it is for her to be this shy. She never shuts up normally--" [p. 40]
The moment she saw Harry, Ginny accidentally knocked her porridge bowl to the floor with a loud clatter. Ginny seemed very prone to knocking things over whenever Harry entered a room. She dived under the table to retrieve the bowl and emerged with her face glowing like the setting sun. [p. 43]
The Weasleys do not have a lot of money, and because she is the youngest child, Ginny often has to make do with less.
"That lot won't come cheap," said George, with a quick look at his parents. "Lockhart's books are really expensive."
"Well, we'll manage," said Mrs. Weasley, but she looked worried. "I expect we'll be able to pick up a lot of Ginny's things secondhand."
"Oh, are you starting at Hogwarts this year?" Harry asked Ginny.
She nodded, blushing to the roots of her flaming hair, and put her elbow in the butter dish. Fortunately no one saw this except Harry... [p. 44]
When Draco and Lucius Malfoy confront Harry and the Weasleys in the bookstore, Ginny shows her true personality by jumping to Harry's defense, and JKR does a little foreshadowing.
"Famous Harry Potter," said Malfoy. "Can't even go into a bookshop without making the front page."
"Leave him alone, he didn't want all that!" said Ginny. It was the first time she had spoken in front of Harry. She was glaring at Malfoy.
"Potter, you've got yourself a girlfriend!" drawled Malfoy. [p. 61]
Ginny is kidnapped by Tom Riddle and taken to the Chamber of Secrets. Harry describes it as "the worst day of his life." [p. 295] He manages to get into the Chamber but finds her unconscious.
"Ginny!" Harry muttered, sprinting to her and dropping to his knees. "Ginny-- don't be dead--please don't be dead--" He flung his wand aside, grabbed Ginny's shoulders, and turned her over. Her face was as white as marble, and as cold, yet her eyes were closed, so she wasn't Petrified. But then she must be--
"Ginny, please wake up," Harry muttered desperately, shaking her. Ginny's head lolled hopelessly from side to side. [p. 307]
  • Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban and Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - Books 3 and 4: Ginny's part in these books is relatively minor, however she does show up in a few scenes.
  • Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix - Book 5: Harry and Ginny strengthen their friendship.
  • Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - Book 6: Harry is jealous of the time that Ginny spends with other boys. They finally get together, but Harry breaks it off at the end of the book.

Fan Interest and Theories

Some essays by fans on why they enjoy and support Harry/Ginny:

When he is sixteen, Harry develops feelings for Ginny, but it isn’t her physical attributes that he spends the bulk of his time thinking about, rather it is her humour that is constantly referenced. ... It is not strictly humour alone that does the trick - it must be admitted that it does also help that Ginny is an attractive girl. Harry finds Ginny to be more than satisfactory to his male gaze. ... The fact that it takes both humour and looks to win his interest also explains why it took so long for Harry to notice Ginny sexually. It is not until the fifth book that Ginny starts to become comfortable enough around him to be able to display her true personality - and Harry starts to notice her more. And it is not until the summer before Harry’s sixth year that he actually spends enough time in her presence to finally uncover the wonderful attribute that really gets him going.
Anything goes in fanon, but when the arena is predictive, rather than preferential shipping--when we're discussing and debating what could happen in the books--the most reliable path to predicting accurately is to ask the characters what they want. ... The characters can decide for themselves who is good enough for them, and readers will not be able to make accurate predictions for canon by projecting their own likes and dislikes onto fictional characters.
Harry and Ginny complete each other perfectly: Harry’s deepest desire, as seen in the Mirror of Erised in PS, is to have a family; Ginny has more family than she can handle. Harry has had to grow up too quickly; Ginny is tired of being seen as a little girl by her brothers and parents. Harry has been raised in a Muggle family and is a half-blooded wizard; Ginny doesn’t know anything about the Muggle world, and is a pure-blood witch.
This "shipping" stuff IS actually very central to quite a large portion of Harry Potter fans in general; and if they are to be presented the answer to the question of exactly who is going to be Harry's eventual significant other (or, more precisely, a collection of facts, literary patterns and statements by the series author herself on the subject, with what I deem their natural logical derivatives which point to the answer), anything that helps point at the answer just has to be included, because when all is said and done this is just an exercise in predictive science- and science doesn't allow sentimentality to get in its way.

Early History of the Harry/Ginny Fan Community

ROMANCE PAIRINGS: Ron and Hermione have plenty of potential -- lots of sexual tension in that relationship. I think there's a possibility for Harry and Ginny, although I'm not sure she is developed enough as a character yet for any of us to think she's quite right for him. She had such a small role in POA. It will be interesting to see how that turns out. She could develop into a character that we will all think is worthy of Harry's romantic partner. For now, I don't see any of the females currently in the cast as being quite "up to snuff" (I think Hermione is better with Ron so I've discounted her) [3]
  • On January 9, 2001, Ebony coined the term One Big Happy Weasley Family. [4] She will use the term again on January 22, 2001 with the acronym attached to it: "Nah, no-shipping is not a disorder at all! Just a preference. Now, the condition known as the One Big Happy Weasley Family (OBHWF) syndrome... *that's* a disorder. ;-)" [5][6] This term became one used against canon purists, intended to be disparaging. It would later be frequently used by other members of the Inner Circle like Heidi8 and Cassandra Claire. According to various sources, Ebony's creation of this phrase was one of the reasons that users from sites such as Sugar Quill and canon purist would not like her as a person. Despite this, the term almost immediately became co-opted by Ron/Hermione and Harry/Ginny fans as a way of insulting Ebony and others like her by throwing their words back at them.
  • Gryffindor Tower was founded in September, 2001. This site, unlike SugarQuill and FictionAlley.Org allowed smut and adult rated material, which was kept behind a password-lock. It was dedicated to Harry/Ginny only, whether as a canon or fanon pairing.
  • On October 23 and October 24, 2001, Cassandra Claire posted to Fiction Alley Park about how much she hated Harry/Ginny fan fiction. [7][8] This post demonstrates her shipping preferences, the shipping preferences of her fan base and foreshadows larger conflicts that will happen between her group and Harry/Ginny fans that will occur in November 2001. Rhysenn, a member of the inner circle, also stepped in to agree with Cassandra Claire's shipping preferences. [9] Another participant in that discussion was Michelle Ravel, a Sugar Quill moderator. [10]
  • In November of 2001, Cassandra Claire posted in her livejournal that she was going to give Harry/Ginny a chance, and asked her friendslist for recommendations of stories. The fic pointed to as the "it" fic of the pairing was Alpha and Omega by Imogen, who was one of the Gryffindor Tower "Queens" or mods. To put it mildly, Cassie did not enjoy the story. She posted about it on her livejournal, and in other forums as well.[11] On November 27, 2001, she posted a response on a Fiction Alley discussion thread dedicated to Harry/Hermione:
In my quest to attempt open-mindedness on ship issues, I decided to read an H/G fic. And I did, and I feel sick now. I won't describe it too much, but it involved Harry and Ginny getting married *while still in school*, Ginny getting pregnant, and a lot of baby-talk. And Ron somehow being okay with his sister's knocked-up-child-bride status. Oh my God. Yes, I know there is trash in every ship, but this was recommended to me as one of the best in that pairing![12]

Cassandra Claire's comments offended some Harry/Ginny shippers, including another Gryffindor Tower moderator, Chryslin, who had written a spin-off in the Alpha and Omega universe. Chryslin's husband, Jeff, took matters into his own hands and sent harrassing and threatening e-mails to Cassandra Claire, claiming to know her real name and her address, all in a misguided attempt to "defend" his wife and the Harry/Ginny ship in general. Cassie was understandably upset, and threatened to press charges against Jeff unless he severed all contact with the fandom. His wife, Chryslin, had to be removed from her moderator post at Gryffindor Tower. Everyone was upset. Charlotte Lennox described the situation thusly:

Heidi and Cassandra Claire and their many friends now hated GT and its admins with an understandably virulent hatred, and the feeling was fully returned. Being publicly (and, in their view, unfairly) disgraced for harboring a stalker was the last straw for the GT admins and they became isolationists, vowing to enjoy their pairing in peace and not interact with the rest of the fandom -- or at least any part of the fandom that contained Heidi and Cassie. Somewhat amusingly, Heidi and Cassandra Claire's circle at FA fed their anger into increased and oft-expressed hatred of the Harry/Ginny ship, and the GT admins fed theirs into increased and oft-expressed hatred of Draco Malfoy, a favorite character of both Heidi's and Cassie's.[13]
  • On May 7, 2003, MsScribe created the sockpuppet journal of PottersGinny[14] She declared herself a Harry/Ginny fan who was concerned about the breakdown of morality in the fandom, and immediately began attempting to stir up an argument by posting to the harry_and_ginny livejournal community to say, "Is anyone else surprised by this? Cassie Claire hates H/G."[15] PottersGinny continued her journey around the fandom and stopped off at MsScribe's livejournal, leveling vile racist remarks and neo-nazi propaganda at MsScribe (that is, herself), interspersed with statements about her love for Christianity, Harry/Ginny, and Gryffindor Tower. The entire fandom was completely outraged.[16]
  • On May 8, 2003, Irina announced to her Yahoo Group that she was removing her stories[17] from the Gryffindor Tower site, due to moderators editing her story summaries and discussion board posts without her knowledge or consent. She said:
I fundamentally disagree with the way their admins capriciously edit site content. I have had admins remove entire paragraphs of my posts on their forums, alter the summaries of my stories - in some cases, the new summaries do not even reflect what the stories are about - and last week, completely delete a review I'd left for someone whose artwork I enjoyed. In no case was I asked permission for these revisions to my words, or even notified after the fact. I was left to discover the changes on my own.
The GT admins may run their site as they please, but I am not willing to post my stories in an archive that edits my posts and summaries without asking my permission or even notifying me afterward, as I have no assurance that, someday, the text of my story itself will not be modified to suit the admins' taste.
  • While the Gryffindor Tower admins were dealing with the fallout of one of their most popular authors denouncing their policies, the entire fandom was up in arms about a troll directed by MsScribe. When they did catch on, on May 9th, Gryffindor Tower admin Carissa Lynn posted an official statement denying knowledge of her:[18]
The admins at GT would like to publicly state that we are in no way affiliated with Pottersginny or her LJ. She is not a member of our boards and as such, has never made even a single post there. In fact, we've never even heard of her until yesterday. We neither condone or agree with her statements and are as shocked by them as anyone.

However, it was not enough for many members of fandom, and PottersGinny's vile, racist comments were imprinted on the fandom's mind for good, another example of a socially conservative, stupid, small-minded, and generally crazy Harry/Ginny shipper. Charlotte Lennox comments:

To my astonishment, no one in Msscribe's circle seems to have found this particularly shocking or unbelievable. They seemed to think that it was perfectly conceivable that a frothing racist religious nut of Pottersginny's ilk might fit in perfectly well in a Harry Potter fanfiction community. Apparently the GTers had isolated themselves from the fandom so well that people would believe anything of them.[19]
As a representative of the Gryffindor Tower administration team, I would ask that all references to Gryffindor Tower be removed from this project. The administration of Gryffindor Tower is not prepared to be included in the same project as open NC-17 archives, incest fiction, and certain other websites. To allow our website to be associated with those that we morally distance ourselves from would be to violate every principle we stand for. The administration of Gryffindor Tower is not prepared to be included in something such as this, especially when money is involved.[20][21]
  • On May 24, 2003, MsScribe created the GT_hidden_room livejournal community, set up as an anti-Gryffindor Tower group.[22] She created vicious "parody" livejournals of each of the Gryffindor Tower mods, using names like "swolencocks" for Imogen's livejournal "stolensocks" and "getlaidmarian" for "ladymaidmarian." These ljs were complete with icons -- including a modified version of Imogen's icon. Charlotte Lennox says: The thing I found most offensive was that someone with a great deal of artistic ability took Imogen's fluffy H/G icon -- a kind of pastel drawing of Ginny standing behind Harry with her hand on his shoulder and copied it with Ginny butt-fucking Harry with a strap-on, while he screamed in apparent pain with blood and shit spattering everywhere.[23] The posts on the community consisted of anything that could be counted on to enrage and infuriate the Gryffindor Tower people: for example, speculation on the best way to maim, torture, or kill Ginny Weasley.[24]
  • On June 18, 2003, muffinbutt started the livejournal community The Psych Ward as a solution to a basic problem that many of us Harry Potter fans must face day in and day out: Harry/Ginny fanfic, with a few notable exceptions, sucks donkey balls.[25]
  • In September 2003, Gryffindor Tower closed its doors, due in part to massive in-fighting between its founding members, who called themselves "The Queens of H/G."

Later Development of the Harry/Ginny Fan Community

  • In September 2003, Phoenix Song was founded by Mmusings, Aibhinn, Sherylyn, and Astarte as a place to house some of the large number of fics left "homeless" after the demise of Gryffindor Tower.
  • In May 2005, the LiveJournal community HPGW_OTP was started as a weekly newsletter focusing on Harry/Ginny.
  • On June 11, 2005, the LiveJournal community hpgwficexchange was founded as a Harry/Ginny fic exchange fan fiction community. [26]
  • On July 16, 2005, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, in which Harry and Ginny share their first kiss, was released. Harry/Ginny shippers, many of whom felt that they had predicted this outcome for years, were overjoyed. Many other fans were not.[27] Particularly outraged were the small splinter group of Harry/Hermione shippers known as Harmonians because they subscribed to a philosophy known as "Harmony." Harmonians believed that JK Rowling had set up the Harry Potter books as a complex literary system of symbolism and allusion that would ultimately "reward" Hermione for being a good person by matching her romantically with Harry.[28]
  • Around July 23, 2005, Harry/Ginny archive Sink Into Your Eyes instituted a strict ban on vulgar language in new stories. Writers and members of the fandom were upset, but the issue did not erupt into a full-blown fandom crisis until one especially vocal critic, LaFeeMechante, also known as ginny_weasley on livejournal, raised the issue and made it into a personal crusade.
  • LaFeeMechante, after several complaints on the site's discussion board, received an email[29] on or about July 29, 2005 from site admin Lord Dreadnault, who had some interesting points regarding the running of an open-submissions site with no quality screening or required beta-readers, which had originally accepted NC-17 stories. He said:
Not only does SIYE want to obey JKR's wishes, (which you would be well advised to obey as well - or else go and make up your own characters and do whatever crude and vulgar things you want with them) but we wish to provide quality stories. It is my opinion that that good stories written for ANY age that lack obscenity but still convey the most feeling and quality can ONLY be written by the most skilled authors. Any author that must rely on obscenity to communicate obviously lacks a command of the English language. Therefore, it would behoove SIYE to ban obscenity and do it's best to help its authors with their ideas and writing. [30]
  • On July 29, 2005, LaFeeMechante started a petition[31] for those who intended to boycott Sink Into Your Eyes due to the obscenity ban.[32]
  • On August 7, 2005, newly-founded Harry/Ginny archive WizardTales attempted to take advantage of the Sink Into Your Eyes controversy going on and use it to attract established authors to their site. A number of authors with fic hosted at SIYE got an email from a WizardTales moderator helpfully explaining the entire situation and providing links to live journal entries by unsuspecting authors, without their permission. The email read in part:
In removing content and reviews without as much as a warning, it is our opinion that SIYE has shown a blatant disregard for the community of authors that has provided the value to the site. ... In our opinion, removing reviews without warning is tantamount to destroying the intellectual property of the owners and reviewers. ... Publishing your work there does not give them the moral right to delete without your consent. ... www.wizardtales.net will be more than happy to archive your work should you decide to leave SIYE altogether and join a site that does not engage in what, in our opinion, is the most oppressive form of censorship. [33]
  • On or about August 9, 2005, Sink Into Your Eyes founder SlayerJenn posted on the site in defense of the obscenity ban and site admin Lord Dreadnault. In addition, she summarily deleted the archived fanfiction of several writers who had posted statements in support of the boycott in their SIYE profiles.[34] LaFeeMechante responded by demanding that anyone who had her on their friends list on live journal choose between her or SlayerJenn.[35] Her comments on this read in part: I had requested that a few people remove me from their flist, and instead of obliging, hissy fits were thrown and novel-length comments were exchanged. In the end, I was unfriended, and then found out the next day that someone-who-shall-remain-nameless had written a rather nasty entry about me in their own journal. Friend-locked, of course.[36]
  • On August 9, 2005, Sink Into Your Eyes posted a retraction of the obscenity ban and an apology for the deleted accounts, which read in part
"Those authors and readers that were members of SIYE and had your accounts deleted, have an open invitation to return to SIYE. We regret the action that was felt needed to be taken. Also, those members who removed their stories and/or closed their accounts with SIYE are similarly invited back to join us. You and your stories are being missed. We realize that some people left SIYE based on emotions, strong opinions, and/or misguided information from all sides. We are understanding and are trying to make amends. The members of SIYE Administration apologize for the errors, inconveniences, and misunderstanding we created."[37] However, LaFeeMechante rejected this peace offering, and for many authors whose stories and reviews had already been deleted, it was too late.
  • In August 2005, the LiveJournal community H/G Daily was started as a daily newsletter focusing on Harry/Ginny and other pairings. The newsletter has struggled to maintain regular posting, however.

Influential Stories

  • Carpe Diem and sequel Alpha and Omega by Imogen. Published on FF.net between March 28, 2001 and November 10, 2002. Imogen was one of the "Queens" or moderators of Gryffindor Tower when it was active. In this story, a prophecy states that only a Potter can defeat Voldemort, so Harry and Ginny are encouraged to marry and have children before he goes off to war in his sixth year. Cassandra Claire vehemently criticized this story and its teen pregnancy plotline, driving a wedge between Gryffindor Tower and her site Fiction Alley.[38]
  • Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent by Barb. First published on Fiction Alley at the site's opening in July, 2001. Ultimately an epic trilogy, this fic tracks Harry as he becomes an animagus (his form: a golden gryffin) and is embroiled in a love triangle between Hermione and Ginny before ultimately choosing Ginny.
  • The Rebirth and Galatea by Irina, first published on Fiction Alley on September 14, 2001. In this fic, Ginny is imbued with superpowers as the heir to the arthurian power of the Pendragon. Harry and Draco must help Ginny to adapt and use her newfound power to fight Voldemort. This is the first part of a planned trilogy, although only the first two parts have been written.
  • After the End by Arabella and Zsenya, completed June 21, 2003 (just before the release of OotP). An epic-length fic that takes place after the war with Voldemort, written by the co-founders of The Sugar Quill. This fic features Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione in equal measure, a fairly common scenario in these pairings.

Fan fiction Archives

  • SugarQuill is a Harry Potter fan fiction archive which favors the Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione ships. It was founded on January 5, 2001 with the goal of creating a separate haven for Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione shippers who were not happy on HP4GU's mailing list.
  • Sink Into Your Eyes is an archive dedicated solely to Harry/Ginny fics. Founded by SlayerJenn, the site originally accepted stories of all ratings but later rescinded that decision and now only accepts fics up to a light R rating.
  • Phoenix Song was founded in September, 2003 by fans of Gryffindor Tower as a place to house the many suddenly-homeless Harry/Ginny fics. The site has continued Gryffindor Tower's separatist policies (albeit to a slightly lesser extent), and does not associate with the fandom at large.
  • The Broom Cupboard is a small archive of NC-17 rated fic associated with Phoenix Song.
  • Simply Undeniable is a newer archive (started in 2005) that is dedicated to Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione, although they accept other types of fic as well.
  • CheckMated, while primarily a Ron/Hermione site, hosts a large quantity of Harry/Ginny fic as well, including a large password-protected NC-17 section.
  • Gryffindor Tower

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