Talk:Ebandom
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[edit] POV
As a sysop who will admit that her personal biases may affect the neutrality of this article - as well as the use of the term itself - unduly, I'm stating here that I would ask the other sysops at FH to step in with regard to the issue of "ebandom" and "bandom" terminology for the best of the wiki as a whole. I will not edit this article personally (unless pointedly blanked or vandalized with vulgarity or personal attacks) and leave it to the other sysops to make decisions on this issue, including whether it should be used at all.--Sidewinder 19:34, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
[edit] Origins
Ebandom was created by the traditional users of bandom, not by rockficcers. Because well, I'm a bandom person, not a rockfic person. :) --Laura 01:10, 3 December 2007 (CST)
Actually, thinking about this for a few seconds more, since I created the term, I really AM a media fandom person who has been studying bandom since 2004. Most of that was communities that might be considered ebandom IF they were located on LiveJournal... but they are not and they do not act like LiveJournal fans. So that bit of vandalism was wrong on multiple counts. :) --Laura 01:17, 3 December 2007 (CST)
Rolled back the previous edit. I'm part of bandom so implying I'm not part of it isn't quite accurate. The use has spread to more than a few people. --Laura 11:32, 2 January 2008 (CST)
[edit] Controversy regarding the Term
I am aware there is some controversy over whether this term should be used/included in the wiki or not, but I do believe it is a valid term that merits inclusion as it is being used, even if not by those from within the ebandom-specific fandoms but by those outside of it, as there is not a consensus on what else to call it from *within* that fandom besides "bandom" (which is where the whole controversy/discussion about possibly needing a new terminology began). Therefore I did add a note on the controversy to the definition regarding this terminology and people are welcome to discuss it here on the talk page. I don't believe the entry currently shows a bias *against* these fandoms but again, the discussion can be raised here. Vandalism of the entry, as has happened, is not a valid means of discussion.--Sidewinder 11:23, 3 January 2008 (CST)
It wasn't meant to be vandalism. OK it was a little terse but it's not just me deliberately trying to mess your wiki up. I don't see this term being used anywhere except by you guys. Google ebandom and you get: this wiki, screwthedaisies lj, and partlybouncy trying to promote the term's usage in various places. If there's anyone else using the term bar partlybouncy, screwthedaisies, hector rashbaum and sidewinder, can you show me? Plus, I have never seen Reggie crossover with MCR on LJ, by googling or FD (I haven't even found any Reggie *slash* on there- oh and it's Effect not Affect), and I'm not prepared to dig through myspace, buzznet and quizilla right now, although I might later. And you missed out The Used in the MCR section- there are far more Used/MCR xovers than there are MCR/Reggie ones, because of the whole Bert/Gerard thing. As for TBS & associated bands, they are crossed over with MCR though not much. I'm going to go add the Used in now, if you're not gonna delete that too. Cobra Starship and The Hush Sound are bands on FBR that are often included in fics with FOB and everyone, yet they aren't on here either.
Laura, yes you are a member of bandom but not for these particular bands. I am a member of bandom too but I think you would agree that would not give me the right knowledge to start labelling and categorising parts of Led Zeppelin fandom, because I'm not in it.
As for terms that *are* used by members of bandom, I have seen Six Degrees of Pete Wentz used occasionally. I'm glad you guys brought up the fact that bandom doesn't just mean my bandom, but now I think bandom is just used because we don't know what else to call it. There are many people who still don't know that it applies to all bands, but I think the reason why people who do still use it is that it's sort of shorthand for "this particular bandom". And those on and off LJ who aren't media fans but do slash these bands don't call it anything. It's only LJ media fans who want to categorise it all in the first place. Not everyone who is a fan of these bands is an ex media fan, and not everyone who writes one of these bands writes them all. This article seems to imply they do/are. Biggest LJ comm for MCR fic- mychemicalslash. Next to no ex-media fans post there.
--- her that made the edit.
- To address several points...
- The vandalism was more referring to a past incident where the entire entry was replaced with an attack on the authors of the article, but still, editorializing of any kind of discussion of the appropriateness of a term belongs on a talk page, not within an article.
- Googling will not reveal all useage. Useage can go on in locked journal postings which are therefore troublesome to cite. On messageboards that are not accessible without membership. Also, the policy of the wiki currently is to include everything of potential historic note in fandom over making too many value judgements on what merits or doesn't merit inclusion (in contrast to say, the wikipedia). The bandom terminology discussion was a fairly involved one (that hasn't even been fully written up yet), hence entries on all the names bandied about at the time, even if just in passing.
- As far as people not involved in a particular fandom or branch of it using and coming up with labels for it, well, this certainly would not be the first instance of that. Certain branches of media fandom (acafen in particular) are quite fond of using the term "feral fans", as an example, in addressing groups of fans who do not come out of the media fandom historical background and have their own ways of doing things as a result. I know few of these "feral fen" who use or would use that term themselves. And then there are the media fen who believe that RPS/bandfandom are all part of media fandom, which as a lot of the recent OTW discussion revealed, many bandfandom people disagree with.
- As far as which bands are/aren't involved, where there are lots of crossovers: this is where user input/editing with more information is always needed! The list of bands provided in this entry and their connections, for instance, was primarily provided to me in an lj conversation with one person from within the fandoms--which I'm not. But thank you for pointing out that I need to add in the citation for that discussion (as soon as I can find it--blargh. It might have been in a f-locked conversation in my lj as my lj is 99% locked by default.) But anyway, yes, this is why the wiki is still very much in development at the time - a few regular contributors don't know all the ins and outs of what is and isn't popular within a fandom. If something is missing it's generally not a value judgement but simply a lack of information on our part.
- Cites for where other terms may be getting used within the fandom would be great to add to their entries! :) And of course, if certain terms are being used with growing frequency and becoming widely used, then they can become more strongly emphasized and featured in the wiki articles about those fandoms.--Sidewinder 07:01, 5 January 2008 (CST)
