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Contents 1 Checked Page 606, Completely True 2 Clean up 2.1 Jo's last name 2.2 FanFiction.net 2.3 Article Contributors 2.4 Link Inclusion 2.5 Another link inclusion request 2.6 Top Ten Moments in Fan Power

[edit] Checked Page 606, Completely True

This article should at least mention, if not fully chronacle, the Page 606 decable, the snapekillsdumbledore@livejournal friending thousands before the book is released debacle and the rest of spoiler debacles. 88.154.141.9 23:51, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

[edit] Clean up

This page needs some cleaning up to a certain degree. It just is a such a big project that not certain how to go about it. A lot of the infrastructure is in place to do it but it just seems a bit mind boggling. What can be added and removed to it with out taking away from telling a complete picture? I don't suppose anyone wants to try? Also, some of the bias on my part needs to be removed and not sure how to go about doing that. --Partly_Bouncy 07:29, 26 January 2007 (CST)

I think the timeline is where it gets super-crazy. Perhaps there could be separate articles for the timeline instead of having the huuuuge list? The timeline is what feels cluttered to me because so many events are listed, and the various charts along the side of the article don't really have much context. I'm not sure how necessary it is to list so many mailing list and community creations, either; maybe if they were on a separate article it would help? Not sure how significant or influential some of them are. I'm brand-new to this wiki, so I don't really know the styles here yet as far as branching off other articles, what y'all want on the main article, etc. :)

--User:Immora 2:30, 29 January 2007 (EST)

Removed some of the timeline to the Strikethrough page and some that was elsewhere on the site (pages belonging to specific ships or debacles). Also took off some terms that are not widespread or current enough to merit listing. --Principessa 06:33, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Am continuing cleanup of timeline, and also wonder about the necessity of listing every mailing list. If no-one responds, I'm going to make sure they're on the pages of the ships they belong to and delete them from the main page. --Principessa 13:57, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Good idea. I mean, leaving the mailing lists where they belong, not necessarily on the main page. Thank you! SLWatson 14:25, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

If you're removing content, can it be moved to a new page, or better page already dedicated to it? And since there is a whole lot of information, maybe redo the page organization to be more like CSI, Comics, Anime and Stargate? Where as opposed to a chronological history, it is a history of specific components of the fandom? With See Harry Potter LiveJournal communities. below a short explanation? My concern is that given the huge size of the fandom, there might be value judgments on what matters and material that might be important would be removed. (And for national specific things like canon release dates, maybe create pages like Harry Potter fandom in India and Harry Potter fandom in Australia where specific national histories can be written. That's been started for a number of other fandoms.) I just get a bit nervous when I see whole scale deletion of sections with out whole new bits being added to other articles. --Laura 15:01, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, I sort of talked about this issue in my livejournal post here: http://sidewinder.livejournal.com/1095327.html?thread=5378207#t5378207

I'm just going to repost what I said in regards to things like timeline data:

For what it's worth (as I've never touched the Harry Potter areas to my memory, not my fandom):

There _is_ a bit of a "everything including the kitchen sink" approach to the timelines on FH. Recording the dates of community creations included. But the hope is that eventually that data can be incorporated with other information (like, say, the release of canon materials, some other event in the fandom) into some kind of more useful statement or presentation of data. Like, perhaps, "In the weeks following the release of Book X, 20 new livejournal communities were created in the fandom." And you've got the data there to link to it.

Does it make for unwieldy pages? Definitely. Pages in need of someone willing to filter through the data to write it up more coherently? Absolutely. But in the meantime the data is _there_, for the records. In cases like Harry Potter where there is no doubt hundreds of such communities, some active and important, many likely dormant and dead, it probably would be good to move such data to a separate (linked) article like "Harry Potter livejournal communities". And that would be preferable than simply removing the data entirely because it keeps it available for someone willing to go through the information at some later time and incorporate any important facts in the main Harry Potter article.

--Sidewinder 15:15, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

I had checked a lot of the ship-related things I deleted, and they were mirrored exactly on their shipper pages already, but I can check the rest of them. But considering the sheer number of Harry Potter communities - what criteria was used to make the list? Because there are hundreds that didn't make it. Just wondering! --Principessa 05:12, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

Honestly, there may not have been any real criteria beyond doing a search on Harry Potter comms and someone added them until they got tired and moved on to something else? Again, never touched the area myself, just presupposing that I don't think there was any reason some did and some didn't make it beyond these were the ones someone added at some point.

I was the one who probably added most of the LiveJournal community creation dates. I found them by searching for Harry Potter as an interest and wading through various affiliate community lists. There really was no criteria involved on my part, other than getting a rather comprehensive list. At some point, some one moved half of them off on to a separate timeline. I don't recall much of that as I've tried to stay a bit more hands off with Harry Potter stuff in the past year. :/ --Laura 08:27, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

And it's totally cool to move ship-relted things to their appropriate pages, that's definitely more where they belong (unless it's some major, major community that is important to the overall fandom development). Quite often, the main page may just be where information was "dumped" before more specific pages like shipper pages were created to try to sort/filter through the info. I've done the same with some fandoms and when the bulk of info got large enough, started creating the sub-pages and moving the info there to be more useful.--Sidewinder 07:47, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

Rechecked the communities. They all seem to have their own pages which contain the exact information that was previously on the timeline. I'm not saying that the entire site should be subject to strict notability guidelines, but why do these communities belong on the main page? Why have they been considered important enough (when some are fairly obscure) while others of the same importance are not?--Principessa

Again, I think it's just a matter of, these were the communities that someone added at some point, and just didn't get to the others? Or wasn't familiar with the fandom that well? That's why people familiar with specific fandoms are important in sorting through "raw data" to try to make the main pages more focused and develop the sub-articles as well. Because maybe a lot of those communities don't need more than their separate article and perhaps a footnote on their appropriate shipper page, something like that.--Sidewinder 07:47, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

I'm for articles about LiveJournal communities (and bebo and orkut and MySpace communities and groups) because it can give an idea as to trends, who is doing what, community life and death on various platforms and networks, show the presence of smaller subpopulations in a really large fandom, give an idea as to what is going on with say fanart, rating, macros, icons, fanfic, etc. Normally, I've found this isn't especially much of a problem, except Harry Potter is pretty damned large. (There are probably over 1 million pieces of fan fiction on the Internet. The last time I tried any sort of count, it was around half a million. That just covered the major sites.) So I'd be happy with moving the LiveJournal communities off the main page and creating separate categories... (Let me edit in an idea for how to handle part of that to show how it could be done.) The little ones don't really need to be on there at all. --Laura 08:27, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

Harry_Potter#LiveJournal: Something like that with more dates, possibly a bit more prose, etc. and then just slot all that LiveJournal information off the timeline and either into that blurb or into something else. If it gets to be too big, then move the whole section to its own page. (This was done for Doctor Who with fan fiction. That information clogged and distracted from the main article so all the fan fiction information was moved to Doctor Who fan fiction. Something like that can be done for most sections. --Laura 08:39, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

Okay, I went through the deleted bits off of the main timeline and added them to that page. --Principessa 09:53, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

Does what I said sort of make sense? I mean, I know why I organized things like I did. It doesn't remove it, doesn't say those events are less important, doesn't remove them... It just places them elsewhere while making that history more accessible. (And it can encourage more prose to be written and some interpretation to take place. Because with all the Harry Potter information already on the wiki, I really think it is at a point where you can start evaluating that data.) And er. Feel free to rewrite the little blurb on the article regarding LiveJournal on this article because it was kind of ad hoc with out much thought on my part. --Laura 09:57, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

I personally think that it's not useful to have them on the main page, or even on a "Timeline of HP community creation" page, because you need to include every. single. LJ community about HP if you go down that road. You have to either decide that everything is important, or that some things are more important than others. --Principessa 05:36, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

In general, I'd say the approach at FH is everything is important to SOME extent and should be documented, but it IS also important to then try to work through all of that "everything" and, yeah, not let the trivial outweigh the critical. Keep record of communities created, for instance, but not necessarily on the main article if it's overwhelming the other aspects of the fandom. And it's where fandom-focused editors are really great and needed.--Sidewinder 07:47, 1 May 2008 (EDT)--Sidewinder 07:47, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

My two cents: I believe that the main page for any canon should be kept to mostly the facts about the series/books/etc, and then at the end, make extensive use of the 'See Also' header. Principessa's idea to remove clutter off the main fandom page is entirely sound, and so long as the information is available on more appropriate pages, mass deletion of clutter in the main article's an excellent idea that should be mirrored across the site. SLWatson 13:47, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Jo's last name

I changed the references to Rowling to Murray, since Jo's gotten married and changed her last name. The whole thing is tricky; since "JK" is her pseudonym (as confirmed by the author), maybe "Rowling" can be considered part of her author identity, and not her "real" identity. At any event, I think her new name should be respected, which is why I changed to it here. Anyone have any thoughts on the subject? Jae 07:37, 12 September 2007 (CDT)

No real thoughts on it and no real preference. :/ --Laura 09:54, 12 September 2007 (CDT)

It seems to me to be inappropriate to use a person's legal name with regard to her written works when she continues to use a particular nom de plume even after the most recent change to her legal name. Since this article discusses material entirely within the field of young adult fiction, where she consistently known by a specific name, using any other name is goofy. 173.26.205.136

[edit] FanFiction.net

Perhaps it should be noted that after Fanfiction.net banned R and NC-17 rated stories. Ayla, a former FF.net author, formed AdultFanfiction.net

On September 14, 2002. It has rather a large archive of HP fanfiction, currently over 15,000 stories.

Thanks,

Madapple

Will add that date on there. I'm surprised it wasn't already as FanFiction.Net's policy changes seemed to be mentioned in a number of other fandom related pages. --Laura 10:25, 20 September 2007 (CDT)

[edit] Article Contributors

Special:Contributors/Harry Potter

[edit] Link Inclusion

Can some one edit the information on this page into the article? --Laura 08:57, 26 February 2008 (CST)

[edit] Another link inclusion request

Can anyone add the details from http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_lounge/676237.html , http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/article-23448909-details/Harry+Potter+star+Daniel+Radcliffe+assigned+ex-SAS+guards+after+death+threat/article.do and http://www.hollywood.com/news/Daniel_Radcliffe_Receives_Death_Threat/5095886 to this article? Thanks. :) --Laura 06:58, 6 March 2008 (CST)

[edit] Top Ten Moments in Fan Power

Top Ten Moments in Fan Power mentions this fandom. Can anyone add the details there to this article? Integrate that information? --Laura 14:52, 14 May 2008 (EDT)