Talk:Mortal Instruments
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I edited out the borrowed from her own work and put back the original statement of self plagiarized because Cassandra Claire did plagiarize herself. And you can do that. Self plagiarizing can get you get kicked out of university as it is considered dishonest. Dishonesty is what this is about. Plagiarism is not a legal thing but an ethical thing. The examples in the article are smaller than the actual bits she took from her own work. They are not merely ideas borrowed from her work, a few sentences here and there, a game she is playing with her readers. They are not self referencing back to her own fan fiction. The passages are not changed, intended to give new insight into a scene, a genre, a character. They are just reused passages, taken from her own fan fiction. They were added with the intent to decieve the reader into believing the work is all original. It isn't. For that reason, that deliberate deception, the phrase self-plagiarism is there and will be edited back in if people remove it. --Partly_Bouncy 08:43, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
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[edit] Confused...
I read this entire page including the little pages from the book and the two sentence summaries of each chapter but what I don't get is if Jace was "brainwashed" into believingthat Valentine is his father and not a bad guy....Why does it say that he's brainwashed into thinking he's his father? Does that mean that he's not really related to Clary so they could possibly still be together is Valentine is not his real father? Or did the person who wrote the summaries have a stupid wording mistake when writing this? If so please rewrite that area or write if they are truely related or not. Thank you, Andie
[edit] Commment on fanfic of CC's book and on this discussion
The sad thing is, the fanfic, IMO, is snappier and better-written than the excerpts of the original book I've seen.
Incidentally, plagiarizing oneself is technically impossible. Universities state that the technical meaning of re-using your own work in a subsequent course without explicit permission from the prof is academic dishonesty. But it's your wiki, not mine. 24.84.67.65 16:55, 4 May 2007 (CDT)
[edit] Oh teenies, you are all so young
How do you account for Piers Anthony using the term "mundanes" 30+ years ago? Honestly, you would think you folks would actually do some research before presenting things as facts.
[edit] Derivative??
First I admit I haven't read these books, but this litany of allegedly "derivative" elements is, in some cases, laughable. OK, some of this criticism is legit (stealing from Fire and Hemlock? Shame, shame!!), but the "References" section is a bit ridiculous in the way it ties every tiny piece to some other work. Writing a fantasy book without having at least a few elements in common with the vast mass of fantasy works out there is next to impossible (elves, anyone?). Writing fantasy is like writing any other genre -- there are common elements, archetypes, etc that recur; there's not necessarily anything wrong with that. Having wands that behave like magic wands is not derivative of Harry Potter. That's what wands DO. They're magical sticks that you wave/use to cast spells, etc. They're that way in every book in which they appear, in myth and folklore, even in stage magic shows, a long time before Harry Potter came around. The geeky kid having a crush on the female lead? Hello, that was around decades before Buffy; Joss (brilliant though he is) did not invent the idea. The name "Valentine" is not remotely similar to the name "Voldemort" except they both start with "V." The bad guy having a circle of cronies is not a reference to Death Eaters, it's a reference to the fact that bad guys generally do not act solo, because if they did they'd get killed off a lot sooner; they pretty much always have minions, a gang, whatever you want to call it.
Come on, folks, get some perspective. Fantasy wasn't invented out of whole cloth in the last twenty years. Tons of this stuff was around years -- in some cases decades -- before TV and movie characters used them. If you're going to do literary analysis, do it right.
