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[edit] Author boycott list

Should the information about the author boycott be included on the individual pages about those authors? --Betsyb 12:39, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I would say yes; it seems like relevant information.--Oicwud 12:49, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

It will be done then. --Betsyb 13:09, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

FYI: She has since expanded her list: http://bridgetmkennitt.insanejournal.com/196132.html --Kathryn Cramer 14:52, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Timeline

The sffeminist wiki has a timeline of events for the race wank of 2009. Their wiki has the following timeline:

January 8, 2009: Another shot at thinking about the Other by Jay Lake on LJ

This post came a few days before the main source of discussion in Elizabeth Bear's journal, and through it is not stated, may have contributed to her musings. Inspired by a discussion on The Edge of the American West about "speaking from cultural authority and presumed expertise." Lake expressed disdain for the idea that white writers don't have "standing" to use Aboriginal or First Nations material in their fiction. The comment thread, 78 responses long, was filled with fail. A lot of 101-level thinking.

January 12, 2009: whatever you're doing, you're probably wrong. by Elizabeth Bear on LJ.

Bear explains her thoughts on writing "The Other", and advises other writer on how to write diverse characters without tokenizing them. In the comments, many writers agree and thank her for bringing up the subject. Questioning and of Bear's positioning of her white privilege and her understanding of intersectionality begins in this comments thread by deepad, rydra_wong, shewhohashope, Avalon's Willow, and others.

January 13, 2009: I Didn't Dream of Dragons by deepad on LJ

Not a direct response to Bear's post, but triggered by it. "...this is more my commentary on the Western, White novels and blogs I have been reading recently, and my experience as an Indian reader."

January 13, 2009: Open Letter: To Elizabeth Bear by Avalon's Willow on Seeking Avalon

A response to a thread in whatever you're doing, you're probably wrong.

I'm not calling you a monster. I'm not calling you a racist. But I am calling you clueless and ill worded and more than a touch thoughtless. Your ability to think about things, sometimes, does not erase my pain or lack.

January 14, 2009: real magic can never be made by offering up someone else's liver. by Elizabeth Bear on LJ

A response to Open Letter: To Elizabeth Bear in which Bear acknowledges that Avalon's Willow's criticism is valid. Comments start out badly ("Over sensitivity to perceived racism tends to result in the nit picking of words and sentence structure.") and go downhill quickly.

January 14, 2009: The Magical Other, in which medievalist posts an explanation of phouka mythology in relation to Blood & Iron on her LJ. Post & discussion later flocked or made private, then unlocked again.

In a comment left on Jan 16 below that entry, medievalist attacks Avalon's Willow, saying among other things that "She's engaging in orcing, performance art and pretty much blog-whoring."

January 14, 2009: Untitled Post about Avalon's Willow's open letter to Bear by Sarah Monette on LJ

Acknowledges that intent and result do not always match up. Comments devolve into failfest, marked particularly by Macallister Stone, medievalist and Emma Bull invalidating criticism because it isn't academic enough and also because some readers aren't as smart as the writers they criticize.

mac_stone's post about child abuse, which gave a checklist of warning signs that a person is abusive, and compared the critiques of mac_stone in LJ comments to emotional abuse patterns, including attributing intentions of meaning to a person that they deny, ie false consciousness. (pnh may have commented on this post about people not being smart). (screencaps anyone?) (some other stuff here) January 19, 2009: copracat, assuming pnh's comment on mac_stone's post was made with knowledge of the context of discussion being held, posted about it in her LJ. The comments to this post appear to be pnh's only remaining public comments in RaceFail 09. (including pnh and others commenting on copracat's LJ in discussion of mac_stone's statements) (Patrick Nielsen Hayden deletes his pnh LJ) January 26, 2009: I'm taking this about as well as you'd expect. by Teresa Nielsen Hayden on LJ<ref>Teresa Nielsen Hayden's original post on LJ: now friends-locked.</ref>

Teresa's response to Patrick's emotional state after been called on his comments. Original post and comments full of fail and including several problematic uses of language.

January 26, 2009: My only statement on the cultural appropriation imbroglio by David Levine on LJ

In response to Levine finding out why Patrick Nielsen Hayden deleted his LJ. With comments disabled, Levine proceeds to chide the "anti-racist" side for scaring him and other white writers off of writing characters of color and ends with "Is this what you wanted?"

January 27, 2009: The last comment that went up before I flocked the previous post. by Teresa Nielsen Hayden on LJ

A post meant to explain why the previous post disappeared for so many readers. Some conversations and fights continued in the comments here and include failure by Teresa to shut down problem comments and language because the people using said language were on her side.

(Include some of the apologies made by Bear, Monette, Shetterly, and others)

Is that timeline worth integrating in to our article or do the prose summaries cover the topic adequately, factually and in an unbiased way? --Betsyb 05:05, 3 March 2009 (UTC) <math>Insert formula here</math>

It would be great if someone who was actively involved in the RaceFail events and/or discussions could help check out the timeline and our summary. So much went on in so many different places that it's hard to really evaluate the summary from the outside, and I suspect keeping an unbiased viewpoint is going to be very difficult, indeed. Certainly more viewpoints, corrections, and additions would be most welcome.--Sidewinder 17:00, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Harry Potter

Can some one add information about Blaise Zabini and the wank about him being non-white And male? --Betsyb 23:56, 20 May 2009 (UTC)